I wish Id had a commercial version of this load in my ammo allocation when we were tasked with getting classes of students up to special operations standards with the issue custom 1911s. I am using this load in some .38 specials. With the powders you listed I would try Bullseye, 231, and Unique in that order. HAVE FUN JP. Of course, these will be used in a revolver. AA#2 is about the same burn rate, but burns much cleaner with less smoke in my guns. I like the smell of Bullseye, dont mind wiping the handguns down after a range day, and the dark soot that accumulates on my support hand when shooting wheelguns in particular just reminds me to wash up. I fired 3 Remington 125 SJHP 357s from a 340 and thought i had nerve damage in my hand. ), I very much wanted to start with some tried-and-true Bullseye loads, but it took an epic scavenger hunt across many months to find a canister of the elusive classic. The flyers tend to be severe. My Hornady book says for 158 gr L-SWC, Unique powder, CCI magnum primer the minimum listed (not sure if that's absolute minimum) is 4.3 and maximum is 4.7. Home About Partners Contact. I bought him as a gift a 642 with the black rubber grips, a few speedloaders w/big knob tops, and Hornady 125 grain FTX loads. The cartridge offers a great deal of zest and has thousands of possible load combinations. Enough that the range Officer at my range recognized them because the muzzle blast made a distinctive cat whisker pattern at 8 and 10, and 2 and 4 o clock. The floor does not apply for PPC, or the equivalent match for Action Pistol. CorBon Self Defense, 38 Special, 125 Grain, Jacketed Hollow Point, +P, 20 Round Box 38125 Top .38 Special Loads for Carry - Firearms News I once had to quote the South Carolina Supreme Court when they had spelled it loathe., Regards, Recoil is subjective and I feel no difference between that and an 750-775 fps load. 38 special 125gr copper plated HP38 reloading data My point being is I used the resources I have, looked elsewhere (The High Road, The Firing Line), and wanted to try here. I did 400 rounds in one afternoon on my Hornady progressive. in 158 weight berry's bullet 3.8 grains of bullseye with a taper crimp. VV N320, N330 and N340 are products of VihtaVouri Oy Company I have the shrouded hammer version, the 638, and have been wary of training much with it because of its aluminum frame. Recoil in that gun is less than most 45 ACP 1911s I have shot, and its still got around 500-600ft lbs of energy which is more than enough for feral hogs around the ranch back home. These loads are for my wife's revolver. And if youre doing that with a snub.let me know I wanna watch you shoot em. The only way to shoot both 9mm and .38 special is to have two separate cylinders timed to the revolver. Thats not quite how that works. Although the .357 cylinders are the same length so they can be timed to a 642. was a breeze. The powder charges used for .38 are forgiving. Reloading .44 Spl. Depends on what kind of load you're after. You are absolutely correct. Similarly on drills with set times such as firing five shots in five seconds onto a bull at ten yards, the Bullseye load allows a little more time per shot to take advantage of a great 1911 trigger and lets the shooter nearly push shots into the same hole. Therefore, your platform yields a lot of safety cushion with target loads. Even though the gun was chambered for .357 Magnum, I plinked and practiced with a lot of .38s over the years. Bullseye 3.2gr / 763fps --> 4.2gr / 892fps (max) Unique 4.3gr / 773fps --> 5.3gr / 944fps (max) 231 3.9gr / 733fps --> 4.8gr / 896pfs (max) These are out of a 5.5 inch barrel Edited June 25, 2016 by jschweg Dr. Phil Classifieds 712 BrianEnos.com The .38 Special remains very popular for personal protection and Michelle Hamilton shares her thoughts on the top loads for concealed carry, like this 158-grain SWCHP FBI Load, based on her testing. Your email address will not be published. I think you will find since the .38 special is headspaced on the rim your case length is very important to achieve your best accuracy. Hence I carry a semi-auto pistol chambered in .40 S&W. The 357 magnum about 45,000 psi and the std 38 special about 17,000 psi. Load it in 38 Special dies. It is always higher when powder is next to primer. There is almost no recoil and the student can increase power level when they feel ready using the same gun. Load it using wadcutter specs, and seat the bullet flush, like a wadcutter. I completely understand the respect for the performance of the 327 Fed, but not being a big fan of the 357 Mag (or 38 SPL plus P for that matter) I havent been drawn to the 327. Over 20,000 rounds, Ive found that theres rarely a wrong way to do .38 SPL. 8.) I found some data for 148 and 158 gr bullets but no published data on the 125s. There is a difference in the manufacturing process of swaged bullets. WST is a good powder for a very specialized load. Everyone here who has tried plated bullets including myself, have had disappointing results in accuracy. Midway has it in stock. How can I tell if they are cast or swaged? My Lyman 49th has data for 125 gr JHP and 120 gr LRN. This would be for plinking for my wife's ~3" Rossi, so something light and fun to shoot would be great. I still think highly of the LCR but would shoot only 148 grain wadcutters in .38 Special or .32 H&R Magnums in the .327 Magnum model. Your link has been automatically embedded. . is limited to either the various Charter Arms models, or as a training/target load in a .44 magnum size handguns. Thanks for the guidance and suggestions. A handgunner using .38 Specials is set for targets, plinking and small game while .357 Mag. Clays, Universal, HP38, HS6 and H4895 are products of Hodgdon Powders. I buy 158 SWCHP all the time.my main bullet. Instead, Ive favored things like the K and L frame Smiths (5 screw pre-model 10 and 686 in my case) and Ruger revolvers for higher round count activities. 3.) Most of these are at the upper end. Love my 642 for concealed carry, but have an SP101 (also a snubby) in .38 special (only) for use on the range. less to start.) Then duplicate with reloads for practice. Dec 18, 2011. The cold header swages a bullet in one or two strokes. A cold header, at their basic level, are multi ton power presses laying down on their side. Were all familiar with the old adage, Never bring a knife to a gunfight. And while we should, The active shooter is a relatively new phenomenon in the grand scheme of things. Both have fed 100% in a variety of pistols and have shot very well. This Cast Reloading Bullet feeds great in automatics and has excellent accuracy in both the 9mm and 38 Super. References: Accurate Arms Co. 1996 Reloading booklet Alliant Powder Co. Reloaders Guide (1995) Hodgdons Basic Reloaders Manual (1996) Speer Reloading Manual, #12 Winchester Reloading Components Manual, 14th edition Lyman Piston & Revolver Reloading Handbook, 2nd edition. Reloading Data .38 Special (Alliant Data) Metallic - Load Data Some use powders dispersed in liquids, some use electrostatic guns to spray dry powder on their bullets. I believe this particular bullet is meant for the 9mm,but drops at 358. I stopped handloading around 1985, so Im not certain how much technology has changed in that area, but in general it sounds like our experiences are similar. This load chugs downrange at 750 feet each second and functions standard recoil springs with no issue. accuracy. I started loading .38s with a Lyman nut cracker and a home made measure for Bullseye over 65 years ago. 125: 125: 130: 135: 140: 140: 146: 148: 158: 158: 158: 170 _____ Quick Links Home Load Data Bullet Points: BE SURE TO CHECK OUT & FOLLOW MY INSTAGRAM FEED CONNECT WITH THE 1895GUNNER.COM COMMUNITY . While I wish I could carry a 5 .45 WITNESS with several 10 round mags, as a senior citizen, the S&W J frame is my user friendly alternate. Between that, some other info on other forums, Winchester's data for a lead flat point, and numbers from loaddata.com, I think I have some to start with. it seems awful confusing, but with time you will be able to interpolate the published data into something that will give you good starting points to work up your loads. Help with 38 Special Load with Bullseye - The Firing Line Forums each bullet is different for oal due to a crimp groove on most. Maybe its just my age, but I may never shoot a 38 again after discovering the 32. 125 grain plated flat point in 38 Special - Forums This gun now wears factory synthetic grips which are decent but could use more girth behind the trigger guard. As an old bullseye guy I've stuck with Bullseye powder for almost 30yearsusing lead bullets. of Bullseye with Lee's 125gr RN mold in a 38 special with so-so accuracy. Never got around to trying the T grips. Data will be standard "book" .38 Special data and I'll not attempt to "hotrod" the loads. They all shot horrible at 25 yards. That for just a nice shooting load one cant beat 148gr wad-cutter for pure fun. I will start ouy at the minimum velocity then. The load is a great learning tool in .45 for beginner and experienced alike. Thanks for the start load Power Pistol will run lower pressures for the same velocity than W-W 231. Some people then claimed SAAMI raised the 357 Mag to 45,000. I get 1000 fps with this load. Bonus is the CT #305 grips are both large enough to be actually useful, and can use the laser, or turn it off if you dont need the laser. Insufficient crimping ) ARCHIVED. Powder Bul Weight C.O.L. The 36s greater weight makes it much easier to shoot than the 638. Thinking of using it in NRA Action pistol or PPC. Biggest problem I had was the lubricating cases for sizing and then cleaning them afterwards, I guess grit was somehow scratching the cases after getting stuck in the lube. Go figure. These are the bullets I bought: 158 gr from Roze dist. Im not recommending that you carry the Bullseye load, but dont feel as if you are going to tactical purgatory for enjoying this load, either. Different colors can be used to identify different loads and since bottom of each bullet is also powder coated, there is less lead dispersed in the air at the shooting range. Components add up to far less than even generic grade factory ammo. It is also one of the most pleasurable loads a shooter can touch off. On my J frame S&W without the CT #305 Laser Grips, I swapped out to a Hoque set. Or does the CMP make the rules for DR, and the NRA admins it? SWC, 160 gr. A significant difference in speeds is usually noted. Like both the .38 and the .44 spl. Ive long since changed to a press, but that Lee Loader in its cardboard box is still in a storage box for obsolescent reloading gear. You are being redirected - Shooters' Forum The 125 Hornady XTP, a jacketed hollow point bullet that can easily handle 1500 fps velocities. Load it like Trail Boss. 32 H&R Mag 21,000 Congratulations on spelling loath right. These are light and easy to shoot. What sort of wildlife are you thinking would be a good application for this self-defense load? My Reloading Manual for .38 Special has plenty of data for 125 gr JHP, and 125 gr JFP for Scot Powders/Vhitavuori, but nothing for Unique/W231/Bullseye. The same volume of BE will weigh much more than than same volume of WST. Alliant Powder - Bullseye In a nutshell & I mean very short version. Regulator, SBSS #2255, Pawnee Station, Ro I & II. S&W M637-2 2" barrel With all the loads available, you can surely find one within recoil tolerance. Most DNR (Do Not Reduce) loads are well over 900-fps. What I have found most remarkable is how well some pistols that typically fling wide groups have clustered the semiwadcutters. Red Dot 38 Special - Gunloads.com Your email address will not be published. (See note on Powders below or read all about various Powders.). How does WST compare to Bullseye powder? (bullseyeforum.net). They are true classics, and I hope you get as much use out of them! are you loading .38 special brass, or .357 magnum brass? The range (understandably) insisted you shoot their ammunition and the mildest they had was 158 grain LRN standard pressure. New to Reloading-Unique powder recipes for .38 special These grips seem quite comfortable and afford a pinkie finger rest for improved control albeit with a certain loss of concealability. Ive not had a handgun entirely reject either load, so the recipe seems to be a worthy third alongside the previous .38 and .45. 4.2 gr. I have several manuals and some say that this load is a low +p, some say it is not, but it is very accurate. Anyone else using Bullseye for .38 Spl - Taurus Firearm Forum Any hotter and we get into a recoil issue. This pistol uses the .38 Special with a Remington wadcutter bullet seated flush with the case mouth. http://www.adi-powders.com.au/handloaders-guide/equivalents.asp. These are put into a large hydraulic press and extruded into a continuous coil of wire. It is easy to load in progressive presses and has commercially available options from virtually all modern manufacturers. 9 and others like 2400 that are generally used for magnums). 38 special reloaders | The Firearms Forum As a young man, I came into a couple of cases of hand-me-down factory mid-range wadcutters. Only the Model 60 sometimes have factory installed grips that are not worthless. 6.) I'd imagine I'm not the first person to use this load, but I have found it is a very sooty/smokey load. Do you folks think a start at 3.0 gr and work up from there with a 125 gr bullet would be a safe load. Shot many thousands of my bullseye powder reloads with it. Also internet references 2009, Copyright. .38 Special Bullseye/148gr Berrys wadcutter???? - 24hourcampfire Your previous content has been restored. In the 1950s, 60s. 4.2 gr. Anything goes with bullets. I get okay accuracy with 4.4 of W-W 231 and 125s, depending on what bullet is used. I tried 10 shots of each: 2.2, 2.4, 2.5, 2.7. So it is my gut feeling that Winchester found it to be touchy in smaller calibers like 38 special and 9mm Luger. Does anyone have any data. If you, I took the vow not to buy any more AR-15s a couple of years ago. On 7/4/2018 at 11:57 AM, Bill Sahlberg said: There is nothing more accurate at PPC than 148 gr8 HBWC (lead) using 2.8 gr of 231 and a tight crimp with Starline 38 Special brass & a Federal Small pistol primer. Magtech Sport Shooting, 38 Special, 125 Grain, Full Metal Jacket, Flat, 50 Round Box 38Q .38 will take care of nearly any critter that needs dispatching feral cats, raccoon, armadillo, even wait for it. Stylish But Serious: Kimber Super Carry Pro, Survival Savvy: Gearing Up for the Next Level, Force Multiplier: Knife and Gun Integration. Going up to 3.9 Gr for +P. 110gr JHP! During my first half century on this planet, my caliber of choice for defense was 45 ACP- but for everything else it was always 38 SPL. 357 LCR in 3 inch variant. Hodgdons Clays, International, Universal and HP38 are good choices. September 2015 S.W.A.T. Bullets are .357 for jacketed and .358 for lead in diameter. I started with a Lee Loader for my shiny new Python .357, because all the ammo I could find (in 1968) was lead semiwadcutters, loaded so hot they sloughed off the lead in the bore, so after a box you couldnt see any rifling, it looked like a smoothebore, and lord was it hard to clean!! The 4.0 grain load is relatively mild recoil and was accurate. May 15, 2012. kc2za said: Hi All, I have been loading .38 spl with 2.7 gr. I also find the LCR .357 enjoyable to shoot with all .38s and most .357s. Disclaimer, I own or owned all the super calibers out there except the casull, theyre all fun and quite useful in some scenarios, but dont discount the old timer. * Normal 38 spell loads for as long as I can remember were never loaded less than 800FPS and I have loaded for revolvers and autos such as my S&W mod 52 that only shoots flush wadcutters. Did you cross post the bullet weight? Totally agree. I load a hard cast 125gn for my 38 special all the time. Unlike the author, I did *not* keep records, I cant even imagine how many rounds I loaded, almost 100% .357 magnum, since that was all I shot. Alliant Pistol/Revolver Load Data: Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data. Its the kind of load that will make you fall in love with the 1911 all over again! Discussion: Bullseye is a faster burning powder and some people feel better suited for the .38 special. 10,870. WITH THE SWAGED BULLETS REDDING SELLS A PROFILE CRIMP DIE. I use Bullseye powder but it's about the same burn rate. Word to the wise: all handgun cartridges (with the likely exception of .44 Magnum and maybe even .357 Magnum) are underpowered for self-defense. I have tested both brass and nickel-plated cases using mild loadings and have not yet worn out a case.
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