Tim Ferriss is a self-experimenter and bestselling author, best known for The 4-Hour Workweek, which has been translated into 40+ languages. The idea of the truth shall set you free, right, [SPEAKING GREEK], in 8:32. She found the remains of dog sacrifice, which is super interesting. And so with a revised ancient history, in place Brian tacks back to the title of our series, Psychedelics and the Future of Religion. Klaus Schmidt, who was with the German Archaeological Institute, called this a sanctuary and called these T-shaped pillars representations of gods. I imagine there are many more potion makers around than we typically recognize. You see an altar of Pentelic marble that could only have come from the Mount Pentelicus quarry in mainland Greece. And I want to-- just like you have this hard evidence from Catalonia, then the question is how to interpret it. And did the earliest Christians inherit the same secret tradition? I will ask Brian to describe how he came to write this remarkable book, and the years of sleuthing and studying that went into it. The most colorful theory of psychedelics in religion portrays the original Santa Claus as a shaman. And there are legitimate scholars out there who say, because John wanted to paint Jesus in the light of Dionysus, present him as the second coming of this pagan God. What's the importance of your abstention from psychedelics, given what is obvious interest. So if we can test Eucharistic vessels, I wouldn't be surprised at all that we find one. Certainly these early churchmen used whatever they could against the forms of Christian practice they disapproved of, especially those they categorized as Gnostic. [texts-excerpt] penalty for cutting mangroves in floridaFREE EstimateFREE Estimate BRIAN MURARESKU: Right. And again, it survives, I think, because of that state support for the better part of 2,000 years. 48:01 Brian's psychedelic experiences . And I'll just list them out quickly. So Plato, Pindar, Sophocles, all the way into Cicero, Marcus Aurelius, it's an important thing. In this episode, Brian C. Muraresku, who holds a degree from Brown University in Latin, Greek and Sanskrit, joins Breht to discuss his fascinating book "The Immortality Key: The Secret History of the Religion with No Name", a groundbreaking dive into the use of hallucinogens in ancient Greece, the Pagan Continuity Hypothesis, the role of the Eucharist in early Christianity, the . And my favorite line of the book is, "The lawyer in me won't sleep until that one chalice, that one container, that one vessel comes to light in an unquestionable Christian context.". At Cambridge University he worked in developmental biolo. Nage ?] A combination of psychoactive plants, including opium, cannabis, and nightshade, along with the remains of reptiles and amphibians all steeped in wine, like a real witch's brew, uncovered in this house outside of Pompeii. On Monday, February 22, we will be hosting a panel discussion taking up the question what is psychedelic chaplaincy. And that's what I get into in detail in the book. 13,000 years old. Now, what's curious about this is we usually have-- Egypt plays a rather outsized role in our sense of early Christianity because-- and other adjacent or contemporary religious and philosophical movements, because everything in Egypt is preserved better than anywhere else in the Mediterranean. And I'm trying to reconcile that. Throughout his five books he talks about wine being mixed with all kinds of stuff, like frankincense and myrrh, relatively innocuous stuff, but also less innocuous things like henbane and mandrake, these solanaceous plants which he specifically says is fatal. Now, Mithras is another one of these mystery religions. Well, the reason I mention Hippolytus and Marcus and focus on that in my evidence is because there's evidence of the Valentinians, who influenced Marcus, in and around Rome. That's just everlasting. So, although, I mean, and that actually, I'd like to come back to that, the notion of the, that not just the pagan continuity hypothesis, but the mystery continuity hypothesis through the Vatican. I do the same thing in the afterword at the very end of the book, where it's lots of, here's what we know. And that the proof of concept idea is that we need to-- we, meaning historians of the ancient world, need to bring all the kinds of resources to bear on this to get better evidence and an interpretive frame for making sense of it. It's not just Cana. The Psychedelic Gospels: The Secret History of Hallucinogens in I fully expect we will find it. Why don't we turn the tables and ask you what questions you think need to be posed? And when I started to get closer into the historical period-- this is all prehistory. Tim Ferriss is a self-experimenter and bestselling author, best known for The 4-Hour Workweek, which has been translated into 40+ languages. And there were gaps as well. What does that have to do with Christianity? The Immortality Key: The Secret History of the Religion with No Name What's significant about these features for our piecing together the ancient religion with no name? So I have my concerns about what's about to happen in Oregon and the regulation of psilocybin for therapeutic purposes. So how to put this? I go out of my way, in both parts of the book, which, it's divided into the history of beer and the history of wine, essentially. That's our next event, and will be at least two more events to follow. The universality of frontiers, however, made the hypothesis readily extendable to other parts of the globe. Which is really weird, because that's how the same Dina Bazer, the same atheist in the psilocybin trials, described her insight. So I spent 12 years looking for that data, eventually found it, of all places, in Catalonia in Spain in this 635-page monograph that was published in 2002 and for one reason or another-- probably because it was written in Catalan-- was not widely reported to the academic community and went largely ignored. I mean, about 25 years ago, actually. And I'm happy to see we have over 800 people present for this conversation. We call it ego dissolution, things of that nature. Where are the drugs? And I look forward to talking about this event with you after the fact eventually over a beer. And Dennis, amongst others, calls that a signature Dionysian miracle. To be a Catholic is to believe that you are literally consuming the blood of Christ to become Christ. So if you don't think that you are literally consuming divine blood, what is the point of religion? In the Classics world, there's a pagan continuity hypothesis with the very origin of Christianity, and many overt references to Greek plays in the Gospel of John. He decides to get people even more drunk. I think psychedelics are just one piece of the puzzle. Then what was the Gospel of John, how did it interpret the Eucharist and market it, and so on. And all along, I invite you all to pose questions to Brian in the Q&A function. And nor did we think that a sanctuary would be one of the first things that we construct. Because very briefly, I think Brian and others have made a very strong case that these things-- this was a biotechnology that was available in the ancient world. Here is how I propose we are to proceed. Did the potion at Eleusis change from generation to generation? They linked the idea of witches to an imagined organized sect which was a danger to the Christian commonwealth. Show Plants of the Gods: Hallucinogens, Healing, Culture and Conservation podcast, Ep Plants of the Gods: S4E2. Nazanin Boniadi And if you're a good Christian or a good Catholic, and you're consuming that wine on any given Sunday, why are you doing that? Rupert Sheldrake, PhD, is a biologist and author best known for his hypothesis of morphic resonance. So in the mountains and forests from Greece to Rome, including the Holy Land and Galilee. And I offer psychedelics as one of those archaic techniques of ecstasy that seems to have been relevant and meaningful to our ancestors. BRIAN MURARESKU: Great question. What was discovered, as far as I can tell, from your treatment of it, is essentially an ancient pharmacy in this house. I mean, shouldn't everybody, shouldn't every Christian be wondering what kind of wine was on that table, or the tables of the earliest Christians? Plants of the Gods: Hallucinogens, Healing, Culture and - Podchaser According to Muraresku, this work, which "presents the pagan continuity hypothesis with a psychedelic twist," addresses two fundamental questions: "Before the rise of Christianity, did the Ancient Greeks consume a secret psychedelic sacrament during their most famous and well-attended religious rituals? In fact, he found beer, wine, and mead all mixed together in a couple of different places. There's also this hard evidence that comes out of an archaeological site outside of Pompeii, if I have it correct. If you die before you die, you won't die when you die. And I-- in my profession, we call this circumstantial, and I get it. Like the wedding at Cana, which my synopsis of that event is a drunkard getting a bunch of drunk people even more drunk. CHARLES STANG: My name is Charles Stang, and I'm the director of the Center for the Study of World Religions here at Harvard Divinity School. And you find terracotta heads that could or could not be representative of Demeter and Persephone, the two goddesses to whom the mysteries of Eleusis were dedicated. Let me just pull up my notes here. And I think it's very important to be very honest with the reader and the audience about what we know and what we don't. CHARLES STANG: OK. Now let's move into the Greek mystery. I see something that's happening to people. Get personalized recommendations, and learn where to watch across hundreds of streaming providers. We see lots of descriptions of this in the mystical literature with which you're very familiar. So this is interesting. The Tim Ferriss Show. Including, all the way back to Gobekli Tepe, which is why I mentioned that when we first started chatting. I really tried. There have been really dramatic studies from Hopkins and NYU about the ability of psilocybin at the end of life to curb things like depression, anxiety, and end of life distress. Perhaps more generally, you could just talk about other traditions around the Mediterranean, North African, or, let's even say Judaism. First I'll give the floor to Brian to walk us into this remarkable book of his and the years of hard work that went into it, what drove him to do this. To become truly immortal, Campbell talks about entering into a sense of eternity, which is the infinite present here and now. So my biggest question is, what kind of wine was it? Things like fasting and sleep deprivation and tattooing and scarification and, et cetera, et cetera. There's no mistake in her mind that it was Greek. And Brian, it would be helpful for me to know whether you are more interested in questions that take up the ancient world or more that deal with this last issue, the sort of contemporary and the future. I opened the speculation, Dr. Stang, that the Holy Grail itself could have been some kind of spiked concoction. The Immortality Key Book Summary by Brian C. Muraresku And what it has to do with Eleusis or the Greek presence in general, I mean, again, just to say it briefly, is that this was a farmhouse of sorts that was inland, this sanctuary site. I wish that an ancient pharmacy had been preserved by Mount Vesuvius somewhere near Alexandria or even in upper Egypt or in Antioch or parts of Turkey. Brian C. Muraresku with Dr. Mark Plotkin: The Eleusinian Mysteries, Discovering the Divine, The Immortality Key, The Pagan Continuity Hypothesis, Psychedelics, and More | Tim Ferriss Show #646 We have an hour and a half together and I hope there will be time for Q&A and discussion. And how can you reasonably expect the church to recognize a psychedelic Eucharist? This an absolute masterclass on why you must know your identity and goals before forming a habit, what the best systems are for habit. Mona Sobhani, PhD Retweeted. So again, if there were an early psychedelic sacrament that was being suppressed, I'd expect that the suppressors would talk about it. By which I mean that the Gospel of John suggests that at the very least, the evangelist hoped to market Christianity to a pagan audience by suggesting that Jesus was somehow equivalent to Dionysus, and that the Eucharist, his sacrament of wine, was equivalent to Dionysus's wine. And her best guess is that it was like this open access sanctuary. I'm sure he knows this well, by this point. And so I cite a Pew poll, for example, that says something like 69% of American Catholics do not believe in transubstantiation, which is the defining dogma of the church, the idea that the bread and wine literally becomes the flesh and blood. What's the wine? So welcome to the fourth event in our yearlong series on psychedelics and the future of religion, co-sponsored by the Esalen Institute, the Riverstyx Foundation, and the Chacruna Institute for Psychedelic Plant Medicines. I mean, so Walter Burkert was part of the reason that kept me going on. #283: Managing Procrastination, Predicting the Future, and - Scribd
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