Texas Department of Criminal Justice | PO Box 99 | Huntsville, Texas 77342-0099 | (936) 295-6371 Like inNocturnal Animals we have three stories being told. Also isnt the name Keller, too close to killer? Grace completely falls apart in the wake of Annas disappearance, to the point of being non-functioning. Superintendent's Fax (601) 664-0782. Hes thematically relevant to Prisoners but not crucial to what happens and how it happens. Bob Taylor survived his abduction but cant move beyond the trauma of it. In that time he created a body of work that changed popular music forever and influenced almost every great rock and roll artist to follow him. It made writing the piece very cathartic. moment. Crazy that this wasnt covered. Years of possible uncontrolled druggingwould lead to antisocial behavior. One question that bugs me if Alex took the 2 girls in the RV, how comes the forensic team didnt find any trace of them? He could be Hollys husband, thats true. The Central Mississippi Correctional Facility (CMCF) was established in 1986 and built on 171 acres in Pearl in Rankin County. I read a few explanations after watching the movie and this was the best and most cohesive one! We werent given any other reason for Dover Snrs death, were we? A forensic inspection of the cloths however, reveals that the blood belonged to a pig, and then Joy suddenly wakes up. The current owners would would have been creeped out. Hobby By visiting his former home, he must remember a time before he was entrapped! But the movie as a whole is an examination of the kinds of prisons people find themselves inphysically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually. Prisoners ist ein US-amerikanischer Spielfilm aus dem Jahr 2013 unter der Regie von Denis Villeneuve. We only learn that the items have been bought. . I find this often ruins performances for me; in this case, not awful, just distracting; and despite all of the cursing and yelling and punching, I just didnt buy it. Theres one thing not mentioned that I cant shrug off. So you could try and argue that it just means the girls didnt struggle. And what are the benefits or consequences of his doubt? Great minds. Why it happened? The story is great. Tired of all the brainwashed/braindead people out thereneed to know there are people out there figuring this out like RFK jr. I also like to think of the final cliffhanger not as whether or not Loki will find Keller but as whether or not Loki will decide to rescue him, only considering leaving him there as a justice for torturing Alex. After being released from prison in 2012, Ms. Deane-Jones was given a diagnosis of post-traumatic stress disorder and is now employed as an Uber driver. The article mentions that his co-worker Mr Dover didnt make any comments. Weve talked about Graces name. MARSHALL COUNTY, Ala. (TCD) -- A woman from Albertville was sentenced to 99 years in prison for charges of sodomy, sexual torture, and bestiality. Yet, psychologically, neither can. The pair began kidnapping children to turn the parents into 'demons' as they called it, forcing them to lose their mind and faith like they did. Holly could have been in the van. Lokis neck is a badgeso along with your hypothesishis god is justice/prison. So while Alex not confessing what happened to Keller could seem crazy, its in-line with how Prisoners shows other victims of abduction struggling to express themselves. And on his neck, a star that probably represents some other non-Christian religion. Goals (if that was what she was doing) And why did she do it so slowly? Thank you very much for writing this I came here trying to find something about the prominence of trees in the movie, because I noticed them but could not really figure it out. 1409 Greenbrier Street Charleston, WV 25311 (304) 558-2036 Contact Us | Site Map | Staff Directory Then the cinematography. Brilliant article, enjoyed every word of it. Instead, he draws a maze. The big issue every character has is with acceptance. Alex may have become too attached to Holly and the only home he had known for many years. Hes essentially trapped in being the caretaker for his mom. This kind of internal instructional clue is something that didnt really exist until the 20th century and the rise of modernism and post-modernism. Thanks for the analysis. But the CSI experts would surely have noticed if the van had been cleaned very recently, and that small detail would have been suspicious as well. Why couldnt Loki identify the dead body as that of Hollys husband? And we have a character named Loki. Its a silly, basic example but the opening of The Lion King is the rising sun. Franklin, Joys dad, objects to Kellers treatment of Alex, but participates for a time because he feels he has no other option if he wants to get his daughter back. I never caught what was said in the newspaper. Type of Villain Holly Jones. But also the idea of the maze itself and of trauma, this infinite thing. Thus, we know how long he was there. The body is beyond recognition, but there is a necklace of a maze. I think of it as a cry for help by the way he looked at the officer behind the desk. The simplest answer is just Theyre in shock and that makes memory difficult. Because its actually something the girls had, how else would it get there? One has the last name Dover. And might even negotiate against themself because theyre nervous. And yeah, the book was about what Holly and her husband were doing. However, IMO the movie definitely has a few plot holes which qualify as fridge logic. In 2012, CSP-SAC was the first institution in California to achieve American Correctional Association accreditation with 98.6 percent score. Doesnt every house have duct tape in it? Why does that trigger a flashback where she thinks he was there? The filmmaking is great. Makes sense that he would have gotten this name from Holly and her husband. Its a solid theory. Unfortunately, Loki doesnt know that. But on the way back they saw the van and decided to play on it since their older siblings werent there to tell them no. Now imagine Taylor and Alex being there for years and years. Her character is the embodiment of the spiritual crisis the Joneses hope to enact. I stumbled upon this essay and now cant wait to watch again. Did anyone watch the movie? I hesitate though because Bob was out of the house and living on his own. She clearly loved her son so much since his death broke her sanity and stripped her of any morals. There you have it. There are characters named Grace and Joy. Sigyn, his spouse, sat with him holding a basin beneath the dripping venom, yet when the basin became full, she carried the poison away; and during this time the poison dripped on to Loki, causing him to writhe with such violence that all of the earth shook from the force, resulting in what are now known as earthquakes. (Wikipedia). Mike Tyson made a boxing return in 2020 when he fought fellow Hall of Famer Roy Jones Jr Credit: EPA. These factors lead me to believe that the two girls, especially Anna, are potential abusers-to-be, because of their limited speech, the abuse they suffered, and the nature of inevitable violence in the cyclical maze, where abuse encourages more abuse. Loki goes to the Jones's house to tell her that her nephew has been found. I dont think theres a definitive answer. The girls never mention a second man either. And how do we make sense of the miracles in our lives? Near the end of the movie, Holly Jones is explaining that Alex was the first boy they took after their son died, and that his name hadnt been Alex that it had been Jimmy. Can you explain the girls flashback when she sees Keller? Even though you assume thats whats probably going to happen, I like that theres a small chance that hes not going to get him out of there for whatever reason.. I think, for him, hes just been unable to escape the trauma. Kellers faith in preparation creates a chain of events that causes his daughter to leave a whistle in the hole in Hollys yard. Theres a reason that scriptwriter Aaron Guzikowski and director Denis Villeneuve included the scene of Alex yanking the dog off the ground by the leash to watch it choke and kick. And then refuses to reveal anything to Keller, despite the constant torture, despite Kellers utter desperation and desolation. So right there in the last names of the two main families, we see more religious references. Dover in his belief Alex Jones knows where the girls are. Holly Deane-Jones lived in cell with 120 women A convicted drug trafficker who spent years in a Thailand jail has opened up on her time sharing a cell with 120 other women and eating food with. As for Keller going to prison I mean we would need modern examples of this type of situation. Residence: Asheville. Im also a bit confused about it. Declaring it likely that the girls are dead, the parents and Detective Loki all but give-up when Bob commits suicide. Once a loving and religious woman, both Holly and her husband's minds soon took a twisted turn when their son died of cancer. Alex Jones (Prisoners) Detective Loki (Prisoners) Paul Sandow (The King) Holly Jones (Prisoners) Keller Dover; Please check the notes for additional warnings! A small foreshadowing detail I noticed is when Alex signs his name to be released from the police, its revealed that his middle name is Winterman which is a reference to a book by the same name by Alex Walters about a serial killer that targets children. Devoid of humor, just not especially real. I thought that Holly was the best performance, a bit melodramatic, but very creepy and a smooth transition from Auntie to Killer. Both Taylor and Alex are old enough that they could physically move beyond what happened to them. But Anna still clings to her whistlea symbol of her fathers protection because I believe that he is still the hero in her life. The address where Alex parked the RV was his old house. That line would be an in-road that provides the necessary context to understanding why the book has such a devastating impact on her. Yet he still lives with Holly. Enter the letters and numbers from the image: Please note -- this site only provides general search information. Who was the guy in the priests basement? The way they said it, sounded like a death notification to me. I noticed how Holly cares for her dog and I wonder if Alex abusing it is his way of getting back at her (His abuser). I guess its a glass of water situation. Barely existing. Joy and Anna leave the Birchs to find Annas missing whistle. My question is when Loki found Keller tortureing Alex, why wasnt he taken to the police station? The body had been decomposing for a number of years. A theme in the Star Wars universe is that good is associated with light and bad is associated with darkness. Also, I thought Holly was injecting Anna with venom and that Loki was rushing the girl to hospital to get her the anti-venom in time. Remember that Keller had just shown up there too. I can see him being pretty off-grid. Who knows! Franklin says and believes that he would do anything for his daughter, but ( like Peter in the Bible who acted cowardly when he thought he would act bravely at Christs crucifixion ) Franklin (who thinks he can play the trumpet, but cant) is not a killer. Its an unsolvable puzzle. She had been jailed for trying to post 10.4g of heroin back to . Holly Debord; Van Havis. Just some observations. The murderers are killing kids on a decades-long crusade against God because their own child died. We saw him hurt the dog. Hes essentially frozen by cognitive dissonance. When you get to the end of a movie like Inception, theres no explanation about what happened. We know this for a few reasons. In their reign, there were only two known survivors, Bob Taylor and Barry. The fastest growing independent movie & tv news website! Its pretty well-known that the victims of abuse are prone to abusing others. The characters are great. I thought that Alex and Bob had kidnapped the girls and Bob had left Alex to take the fall. I thought that Alex and Bob were weirder than they needed to be, and in their bizarreness, not real, and therefore, not anyone that I could mourn for, though what theyd been through was terrible. I searched for more movies with the actor Jack G after watching Nortunal Animals. And that ignited in her a hatred of God. Really appreciate the comment. Their plight is immense and it can drive them to do unto others as has been done unto them. Alex succumbs to Kellers torture and mentions a maze, so Keller goes to Hollys house to see if she will reveal something about a maze. This is reinforced later by Joys struggles to explain what had happened to her, only able to look at Keller and say, You were there. Regarding Alex. Hes reduced to a scared child who finds it impossible to provide the logic of language to the absurdity of the life hes been forced to live. We know the girls were interested in the van. Emotional imprisonment: the disappearance of Anna and Joy emotionally devastates the Dover and Birch families. I like it much better being ambiguous. The captor is seen in one of the last scenes attempting to inject the child with a drug most likely heroin or morphine as Grace is seen frothing at the mouth as she is driven to the hospital by Loki. The seemingly simple progress of the story is an artistic choice to create the sense of an itch you cant quite scratch, that theres more going on than you may have realized. I think the movie is definitely one of the best of its decade. Holly Deane-Johns, 51, was subjected to the awful living conditions while serving time at Lardyao Women's Correctional Institution. Find latests mugshots and bookings from Abilene and other local cities. Snakes are the tempter on the Bible? With his English language debut, Villeneuve created a story layered with suspense, thrill, and excitement. So the next best thing was to imprison him? I think thats where I would start if I was going to write about the specific meaning of the snakes. After being detained, Michael Briere, 35, was charged with her murder. If you are going to edit a lot, then make yourself a user and login. The little girl was abducted, and her remains were found in gym bags a day later in May 2003. I was confused when Alex said that he was waiting for a man to come back and he never did. Because its complicated. Thats why all Alex can eventually muster, even when its his life on the line, is, Theyre in the maze.. So his full name only reinforces the combination of religions. They recognised them because Bob Taylor breaks into each of the girls houses and steals them. And lastly, we get flashbacks to her time with Gyllenhaal that reading the book triggers. How could the FBI agent wrote a book about the murderer and even have a maze picture in it if: a. no children was ever found (alive or not); b. the murderer was never found. When Loki brings Taylor in, Taylor cant just explain what happened and why. Ill watch again with a fresh mind. Your basically kidnapping/torturing someone who is going to kill your daughter if they are released. POOPER: Holly Jones (Melissa Leo) kidnapped the two little girls. Yeah, I think I need to amend it a bit to add the consideration that part of Alex enjoys hurting Keller. Youd worry that hed maybe keep trying to do take kids. Doesnt know what happened to him. Keeping the source of these character names in mind, if you re-watch Prisoners you definitely pick up on some thematic subtext involving religion. Im glad it was helpful! He is not the all-knowing, all powerful saviour. She brings him to a hole underneath a car, forcing him in, shooting him in the leg and leaving him there. Cant wait to show this movie (and analysis) to my wife! Each scene you can feel their presence. Bobs almost completely externalized his pain. The justification given by Keller Snr. The number of prisoners held in private facilities accounts 128,300 inmates US has 1,393,975 male and 111,422 female prisoners US Imprisonment Rate is 450 people per 100.000 residents, 847 for males and 64 for females The majority of the inmates - 16.3% are between 30-34 years of age I think the film supports it by not having Bob Taylor or the girls talk either. Reading what you wrote got me thinking if there is another layer to the way the trees relate to Kellers profession as a carpenter. 26 Jan 2023 14:55:21 And I also found this thread by Chris by chance. So when Loki discovers Alex, Holly is making Keller her prisoner. Mark Bridger, the former abattoir worker jailed for the sexually motivated murder of five-year-old April Jones, has been attacked in prison. Keller will take matters into his own hands too! But Im pretty sure she wasnt leaving the house much anymore and wouldnt like Alex going to see his old house. Its Hollys husband, and hes wearing the same maze necklace as the mysterious body from the basement. LONG VERSION: Holly and her husband were religious zealots until their young son died of cancer. To the point where they said the center of the entire universe was a gigantic tree named Yggdrasil. You did an amazing job! And Im pretty sure Holly Joness original kid was named Alex? Hi Chris,what a great review. I think he points to the husband of Holly. Hi Chris and everyone who has commented. On May 12, 2003, while walking a friend home, she was kidnapped, sexually assaulted, and strangled by Michael Briere. Occupation Its a really great movie. I believe the drug Holly was injecting into Anna was ketamine. He is told a third of that should do for a man of your size and that it is her husbands old secret recipe. Rather than face the sobering realization that she may have left the protection of her family entirely on her husbands shoulders ( according to the screenplay, she drank wine and was tipsy at the Thanksgiving get-together, but he just drank milk), she would rather sleep because she loves her children and husband deeply and gladly serves what he prepares in the more safe and secure world that he is trying to create for themso its complicated. We know its coming from Keller Dover, trapped underground. Finally returning to the movie and looked into this. I watched prisoners after its release and i was young so it felt just like another movie. Theres an extreme cognitive dissonance that Franklin struggles with. The other Birch. But the worst plot hole is that nobody figured out that the clothes which were found in Taylors possession were not worn by the girls at the time of their abduction. Even with her husband gone, Holly doesn't stop and abducts Joy Birch and Anna Dover. They are from USC, UCLA, Columbia, Yale, and Chapman University. Wow, I suppose Im late to the party because I only just watched it on Netflix. Kidnapping thrillers often lull us into a sense of safety in the opening sequences, showing the normal rhythms of life that will soon be shattered. It is frustrating that we dont get some more closure though. On Friday, Briere was charged with abducting, murdering and dismembering 10-year-old Holly Jones (shown), some of whose body parts were found May 13 in two pieces of luggage in water in two . Another thing is the significance of showing the prepper mindset and taking everything in his own hand and his general lack of trust in higher authorities including police and perhaps even more broadly God, and how that changed when he was in the most helpless situation in what he prepared nothing for, and yet found that red whistle which will save his life. But its also a clue from the filmmaker to treat the movie as a maze. And yes, I love the juxtaposition of David Lokis name. Biography Once a loving and religious woman, both Holly and her husband's minds soon took a twisted turn when their son died of cancer. You have another piece of the puzzle with which to unlock the deeper thematic intentions and questions of Prisoners. And this guy being a carpenter, someone who turns living trees into objects. Their pain turns to anger at God, as such tragedy must have been His will. 303 East Church Street Post Office Box 69 919-894-3616 919-894-2091 . Is the father a sex offender himself? to Keller Junior is that killing is okay because the animal population needs to be maintained. I am bothered by the fact that there were no traces at all of the two girls found in the camper van, although they have been abducted in that van! If that was the case, Alexs They didnt cry until I left them wouldnt be meaningful or even logical. I think if you re-watchPrisonersafter reading this, then the movie is going to feel way more obvious in what its doing and why. Before you trash this post, and think Im a nut case, please view the first 5 minuets of my video. They may walk away. To be fair, the idea that the clothes may have been stolen is actually never mentioned in the movie. And Loki literally arresting people with the intent of sending them to prison. By not showing Kellers rescue, were left with a choice: do we have faith in Loki or dont we? And the keeper of the prison awaking out of his sleep, and seeing the prison doors open, he drew out his sword, and would have . Buddy Holly was a singer songwriter from Lubbock Texas who died after a short 18 month career. All he would have been able to see is Holly crouching over the girl. If Keller could figure it out, it was just a matter of time before Loki did too. Its like Hollywood thinks they have conditioned us to just accept anything and call it clever. Prisoners is a 2013 American mystery thriller film directed by Denis Villeneuve from a screenplay written by Aaron Guzikowski. Yeah, Regrading Alex, I guess theres still a lot thats up in the air. And theres a contrast to how their trauma expresses itself. It happens to be near the Birch house, where the Dovers celebrate Thanksgiving. Door handle: Loki checks handles a couple times. Damn, its such a good movie. Eloquently posited Jeff, this certainly fits into the message and subsequent explanation for me. Constantly updated. He equally needs the cold and frosty weather because hes shot and maybe this will keep him alive a little longer (dont know, I am not a doctor) or keep the drug from effectively knocking him out. At their first encounter, in the parking lot of the police station, Alex toys with Keller, much like he did the dog, by saying, They didnt cry until I left them. He knew what he was doing. But isnt it also highly unlikely that Taylor managed to buy clothes which looked exactly like the items worn by the girls? In the largest mass commutation in US history, at least . That whole torture subplot is like a twisted form of repentance. When hes in police custody, the police demand to know where the abducted girls are and Taylor spends 3 hours drawing a maze to show them. He was parked outside of his old house in the camper when the girls came by and got in the camper with him. I think theres maybe also more to be found in how Keller is a doomsday prepper and the way that relates to the idea of judgement day, but I havent watched the movie with that in mind yet. Because of that, theyve tortured other families to cause a similar crisis of faith and turn more people against God. I was so impatient with all the people not talking, but it makes sense now, the priest, bound by his guilt and confession rules, Alex, most likely having been drugged from an early age on which alters your brain and personality, and God knows what else these people did to him and Bob. Crimes Real quick recap. Experienced Human Resources professional with a Law Degree focused on Labor & Employment Law coursework. Evil-doer Theres an FBI book about a serial abductor who was obsessed with mazes. They said specifically that the DNA and dental records came back with no match. Joel Cox, the editor, felt very strongly about it. The two kidnapped girls. But not in terms of likeNorse vs Christianity. There are a ton of changes that could be made to make this subplot more efficient and straightforward. This causes him to go blind, and although he doesnt cause an earthquake like Loki in mythology, he almost crashes a few times as he speeds down the highway to save the little girl who is suffering from the poison. He had no criminal record, not even a parking ticket to his name. Meanwhile, Bob appears as a new suspect in the case. I thoroughly enjoyed it and now need to watch this movie again. Origin Maybe you still disagree though. I think Loki didnt necessarily have the time since he was more concerned about the girls. You might think thats the end of it. Theres Amy Adamss character going about her life in the present day. But giving the audience clues that Keller is facing lengthy prison and Alex is going home Well it is quite the opposite in reality. When we were shooting, we did shoot a version where it goes a little beyond where the fade out is. I have made a discovery of hidden symbols in movies. Finally, when Lokis at Hollys house, suspicious because he thinks Keller might be there and might have done something awful, he sees the picture in the bedroom. Technical Specs, See agents for this cast & crew on IMDbPro, director of photography (as Roger A. Deakins), key hairstylist (as Elizabeth 'Shawna' Robinson), make-up: Hugh Jackman (as Pamela Westmore), second second assistant director (as Michael E. Saunders), first assistant director (as Donald L. Sparks), construction medic (as Cindy Huggins R.N. The question is will he put it all together and solve the puzzle? I just finished my second viewing, I saw it a long time ago. Armed with a hidden gun, Keller heads to see Holly, but she soon learns he knows she kidnapped the girls and prepares her own revolver, which she aims at him upon arrival without hesitation once he voices he knows the truth. Education: B.A. That idea is expressed in Robert Frosts Birches and also the Blackfoot myth Why the Birch Tree Wears the Slashes in Its Bark. In Latin, Dubris meant waters. Leo also requested the props assistants to avoid cleaning her glasses after each day's shooting. That says a lot about his mental state, the degree of Stockholm Syndrome hes experiencing. Especially Joys mother. The film stars Hugh Jackman, Jake Gyllenhaal, Viola Davis, Terrence Howard, Maria Bello, Melissa Leo, and Paul Dano. What a coincidence that the character with that name ends the movie in a hole in the ground?! Similar to how Fight Club is powerful because its not really about Edward Nortons character but rather a deconstruction of individuality in a consumer-driven culture. Which is, all in all, pretty fitting. He doesnt have the practical personality to do whatever it takes for a certain resultthats not bad, but in this situation, it makes things complicated. I just think thats the moment when the movie is ready to end. Into the frame comes the barrel of a shotgun. Prisoners is about spirituality and the complicated nature we have with spirituality. Perhaps another theme of the movie is communication. Ten-year-old Holly Jones disappears after walking her friend home in her Toronto neighbourhood. How do we have faith when bad things happen? Chris, you have written a very good essay, and most of your explanations are sound and thoughtful. Jones I have kids and if they were ever kidnapped I would pick them being killed than for them to do what Alex did. Location: 3794 Highway 468. Thanks. It was the loss of the whistle that initiated the trauma & subsequently a type of release or redemption for previous victims (Alex, Taylor) And if course, the end of the movie, is Kellers only chance of survival, hope. I think we see 4-5 then the father. So, maybe after recalling what Annas mother said, he might be able to link that to the sound of the whistle at Hollys house and try to find Keller. Rather than the cast elevating in their own way. Ive got something to add: The use of the maze not not only serves as a representation of the cognitive dissonance of those abused or references the form of the information as it is laid out; it is also a cyclical device to show the nature of violence (as Kassovitz said, la Haine attire la Haine, or hate breeds hate).
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